Hey all, I'm going to be doing a bit of work to my jeep within the next month and one of the things on my list is control arms. I have until Friday before I place my order. I'm looking at getting a full 8 piece set either the Teraflex Monster Control Arms or a set from Savvy. I only have 2.5 inches of lift so I'm sticking to short arms, not to get confused with the Tera long arm kit.
I'm looking for pros and cons to each of them. Also it would be nice to know if they have good customer service. And are Johnny joints much better than a single heim joint?
One of the guys at the local 4x4 shop recommended Teraflex because they can take a beating, but he's yet to see the Savvy arms so I'm not sure what to do.
Honestly if you are spending that much money on control arms then you are going to want something with a Johnny Joint style ends. The Teraflex arms should ride slightly softer due to the stock style bushing on one end, but this comes at the cost of durability and flex.
I don't know how much the Teraflex are but if you can afford / want to spend that much on short arms, might as well buy the best available! Curry / Savvy. I'm on the fence as to whether or not a JJ on both ends is really necessary, but I also don't see any reason why it would hurt.
the Tereflex monster arms look a lot like the RC arms but the RC is a heck of a lot less money. Any idea as to what the difference is , do the Tereflex use actual JJ's maybe making the big difference in price
Teras is similar to a johnny joint but not completely. The heim joint (which Teraflex has) lead to the making of the JJ which I think may cause better articulation? I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I think I read. Someone can correct me if they want. And with Rough Country, they have some terrible bushings that'll wear out in months. They don't give too much movement to the sides and the more you flex, the sooner they will wear out.
Price wise, it's pretty much even between the Savvy/ Currie and Teraflex. With Teraflex I'll get a little off the price and free shipping, but Savvy's is about the same amount shipped.
Both looked like Clevite on the bushing end I was mainly wondering about the other end if it is a real JJ or like RC their own version , not that I recommend either .
Simply put if you want the best arms for your rig for ALL driving conditions both on and off road, you want JJs at both ends, period. That crap about clevite riding better is just that-pure internet BS and common myth/misconception by those who don't know any better and ASSume rubber is softer so it rides better. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Heims fail quickly under use in mud/water where the grit gets in there. I would not want heims on control arms. I'm actually sick of the heims in my front and rear anti-rocks too but no other real option there.
JJs offer the best isolation and free range of movement of any joint out there. They last under all conditions and I've yet to either wear one out myself, or see one truly worn out under normal use and maintenance. If you do wear one out they are totally rebuildable for about $9.00 roughly speaking. You don't want to go crazy with the grease gun as doing so can blow the snap ring so don't go forcing it where it doesn't want to be. Light greasing every now and then is all they need. I have well over 50K on my current set and they're still tight as the day they were installed. Nothing eliminated the front end vibe/wobble I had other than the JJs in the front upper housing kit. On road ride was better than with factory arms with the famed clevite at both ends, off road was worlds better. They isolate the axles better and allow the suspension to work as it should while allowing maximum flex at the same time.
Simple answer for a factory mount setup-Savvy/Currie arms no question about it.
Simply put if you want the best arms for your rig for ALL driving conditions both on and off road, you want JJs at both ends, period. That crap about clevite riding better is just that-pure internet BS and common myth/misconception by those who don't know any better and ASSume rubber is softer so it rides better. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Heims fail quickly under use in mud/water where the grit gets in there. I would not want heims on control arms. I'm actually sick of the heims in my front and rear anti-rocks too but no other real option there.
JJs offer the best isolation and free range of movement of any joint out there. They last under all conditions and I've yet to either wear one out myself, or see one truly worn out under normal use and maintenance. If you do wear one out they are totally rebuildable for about $9.00 roughly speaking. You don't want to go crazy with the grease gun as doing so can blow the snap ring so don't go forcing it where it doesn't want to be. Light greasing every now and then is all they need. I have well over 50K on my current set and they're still tight as the day they were installed. Nothing eliminated the front end vibe/wobble I had other than the JJs in the front upper housing kit. On road ride was better than with factory arms with the famed clevite at both ends, off road was worlds better. They isolate the axles better and allow the suspension to work as it should while allowing maximum flex at the same time.
Simple answer for a factory mount setup-Savvy/Currie arms no question about it.
THERE'S A COUPON CODE?!?! I was going to gladly pay full price if I got them haha. I guess that's another thing to take into consideration. I think right now I'm leaning towards Savvy.
Keep chiming in people :thumbsup:
Hey Knucklehead...are those the "J" bend control arms from Currie from several years back? A friend of mine has had those for years, and he just loves them.
In fact, now that I think about it, I know two guys/Jeeps besides yours. One's a Dynatrac guy, the other is a Savvy sort of guy...it seems you're in elite company.
Hey Knucklehead...are those the "J" bend control arms from Currie from several years back? A friend of mine has had those for years, and he just loves them.
In fact, now that I think about it, I know two guys/Jeeps besides yours. One's a Dynatrac guy, the other is a Savvy sort of guy...it seems you're in elite company.
To expand on that a bit, it's not just an issue of putting the brackets on correctly, it is that to put them on correctly it takes a lot of work and redesign of the whole suspension bracketry except for the frame side.
Shock and trackbar solutions in the front are problematic and in the rear, it makes it very difficult to outboard shocks.
I like the arms, they are a good solution, but they really aren't worth the effort for the average person and you already see the BS that goes on over bushings VS JJ's, the crap that would go on over J arms would be epic.
And to stay on track, since I'll be on the road 90% of the time, is there any disadvantage to have JJs on both ends. I heard the whole road noise thing can be a slight issue.
Simply put if you want the best arms for your rig for ALL driving conditions both on and off road, you want JJs at both ends, period. That crap about clevite riding better is just that-pure internet BS and common myth/misconception by those who don't know any better and ASSume rubber is softer so it rides better. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Heims fail quickly under use in mud/water where the grit gets in there. I would not want heims on control arms. I'm actually sick of the heims in my front and rear anti-rocks too but no other real option there.
JJs offer the best isolation and free range of movement of any joint out there. They last under all conditions and I've yet to either wear one out myself, or see one truly worn out under normal use and maintenance. If you do wear one out they are totally rebuildable for about $9.00 roughly speaking. You don't want to go crazy with the grease gun as doing so can blow the snap ring so don't go forcing it where it doesn't want to be. Light greasing every now and then is all they need. I have well over 50K on my current set and they're still tight as the day they were installed. Nothing eliminated the front end vibe/wobble I had other than the JJs in the front upper housing kit. On road ride was better than with factory arms with the famed clevite at both ends, off road was worlds better. They isolate the axles better and allow the suspension to work as it should while allowing maximum flex at the same time.
Simple answer for a factory mount setup-Savvy/Currie arms no question about it.
You need to understand his background a bit. He was one who didn't believe anything could ride better than his beloved factory control arms and he swapped a few if not several sets of them in because they were cheap, readily available and rode better, so he thought.
It took me a couple of years of cajoling, convincing, arguing, debating, sniveling, and finally begging before he would give the JJ's a shot.
Thanks everyone and hopefully this is my last question. One of the guys at the shop also mentioned that Tera has some of the thickest arms and can take a beating. It's about a half inch difference from what I understand, and aren't there more jam nuts that can loosen up with the Savvy arms? I would buy both Savvy and Tera if I could. I'm just on the fence because of everything I'm hearing. Yes more people are talking about Savvy and I'm finding tons of great reviews on them, but from the very few things I found on Tera, people seem to love them too. Also with the Tera arms, the shop always has bushings in stock if I need to rebuild one. I just want to :brickwall
Thanks everyone and hopefully this is my last question. One of the guys at the shop also mentioned that Tera has some of the thickest arms and can take a beating. It's about a half inch difference from what I understand, and aren't there more jam nuts that can loosen up with the Savvy arms? I would buy both Savvy and Tera if I could. I'm just on the fence because of everything I'm hearing. Yes more people are talking about Savvy and I'm finding tons of great reviews on them, but from the very few things I found on Tera, people seem to love them too. Also with the Tera arms, the shop always has bushings in stock if I need to rebuild one. I just want to :brickwall
To the OP, I don't have either the currie or Teraflex arms, So I guess I'm impartial (not sure if that's the right word). I've red hundreds of posts about arms since I started working on my jeep in '03, I wouldn't buy any arm that didn't have a JJ involved. Just my opinion and my own internal product review archives in my brain.
Even if I did have it, I'd never post it. It would be taken out of context and held up over and over as the poster child for what will happen to your arms if you buy Currie and I don't have the time or the energy to deal with any of that mess. :rofl:
After all this time and all the reports from happy, satisfied and very long term customers, it still reported near daily that clevite rides better.
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